AIP-12: Consensus Unit Comment

San_Shi_Wu mentioned that you and bz are working together. Could you clarify what exactly you and bz are collaborating on? :joy:

It’s spelled out in the screenshots i posted in the Telegram chat - bz kept unblocking me and trying to use me against the other mods. Then I would suddenly be blocked again after I had served my purpose.

He always dodged questions, and when he took it too far and turned a basic question back on me after insisting he knew everything, I deleted my chat history with him (but not before saving it) because I didn’t trust him and was sure he was sending logs to other people and playing both sides. He then blocked me.

Before that, I had shared some records about the AssangeDAO - copies of the old forum etc. (which should all be included in http://data.ddosecrets.com/AssangeLeaks/AssangeDAO.7z), and answered some of Gabriel’s accusations about me (which I later posted about here What Gabriel Shipton Wants Me To Tell You – emma best).

The feedback I gave on proposals etc. were the same things I was saying in the public chats, and like I did in the general chat I said that Tendimen’s disruptions were a problem.

I tried to cooperate with bz because I’ll try to get along with any community organizer here, but over a month and a half ago I gave up on that and posted about feeling like bz was manipulating me and others in the general chat.

I’m willing to post the complete transcript of my chat log with bz if that’s what the community wants. (Note that the forums only allow jpg, jpeg, png, gif, heic, heif, webp, and avif file uploads at the moment).

The anonymous member asked

From my experience of forum moderation elsewhere, a polite request to an admin or moderator to be unbanned is the normal process and then when that fails - a respectful request should be made calmly and coherently to the next level for an intervention review.

The next level after that step would be with Gabriel for final reprieve/resolution.

These are the admins on this Forum

Forum

On Telegram the admins are listed as follows:

  • Harry Halpin
  • Zylo

Re collaboration - relevant questions

  1. What is the main reason you are here? Why would BZ assume you were ā€œserving a purposeā€ to assist them?

  2. Were you part of any other behind the scenes DAO group not represented on official Telegram, Discord, or Forums that BZ was also part of? How did you get into such? Invited or requested? What was the politics of such group(s)?

  3. What ā€œorgā€ were you discussing?

Note: BZ was NOT sending me ANY logs. They have no reason to do that as we don’t have anything of a relationship.

Read the screenshots and what bz wrote - he unblocked me because Gabriel said I was dangerous. And then I would be blocked again with no explanation, without violating any rules.

What group? It was direct messages that moved there from the main group.

I asked what Assange Campaign International was, that’s all

Would people be more or less comfortable if I posted the entire log to Telegram? (Since I can’t upload it to the forum because of filetype restrictions)

  • Post it
  • Delete it
0 voters

Assange Campaign International is DAO funded

What he said in the excerpt you quoted was ā€œWho controls it has nothing to do with me.ā€ He didn’t say he knows who runs it, nor did he say who does or suggest who to actually ask.

You can post and delete arguments over excerpts, you can let it go, or you can ask for the complete log that I’ve offered more than once.

Never heard of this. Why are you leaning on a multi sig, regardless?

It was in the Wau Holland report, but it’s an easy detail to forget.

I didn’t ā€œleanā€ on him I asked one question after he insisted he knew everything. And again,

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Sigh.

If one had an issue with any deemed unethical behavior concerning BZ - than the actual approach is to address the Admin team, which IS the procedure.

In a professional setting - would you publish someone’s private messages with EVERYBODY?

In fact it is part of our community guidelines not to engage in something that would not be accepted in a professional place.

Its not like you have been specifically targetted either Emma - I was banned twice in succession and appealed it correctly behind the scenes with no drama - others here have been banned for MONTHS by BZ merely for asking about elements of his proposal. .

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Someone’s messages with ME, not their ā€œprivate messages with EVERYBODY.ā€

You may be surprised to learn that’s why I left it up to the community. You seem to be against it but haven’t voted ā€œNoā€. And you’re citing community guidelines posted in a place I’m banned from even looking. So, :+1: :+1:

I did this multiple times, until I was blocked entirely. As for not being specifically targeted, read the excerpts posted again. As for the ā€œdramaā€ - I’m not the one who brought this up here. That would be @San_Shi_Wu.

You make a good argument for removing bz as a mod, but you should bring that up elsewhere.

Where is this procedure listed? Is it in one of the places I’ve been banned from? I brought up the issues in the chat I’m not banned from and they were ignored until @San_Shi_Wu derailed the thread by bringing them up and saying that I was working with bz based off my saying bz can’t be trusted.

Those procedures were presented under Start here>Rules at Discord in May 2022 and were formulated by the community.

@San_Shi_Wu - did not derail the thread IMO. They’re talking about key skills for consideration of candidates for the GTU. Its a key governance issue to be fixed.

My opinion on that is that the DAO will need to hire people capable of appearing in the public arena with very strong relevant skills, if Gabriel wants the place to succeed.

As for the poll - pay me $ /s. I think the rules outlined, that is contact an admin is good enough for everybody to abide by.

You’ve dodged the matter of raising those alleged moderation abuses first with other Admins or Gabriel. But haven’t explained why you didn’t take that sensible course of action. Clearer now?

Why would I? I didn’t bring it up here as a complaint - it was brought up as an allegation, and then I was repeatedly asked about it. You seem to think this is about me being banned, but it’s not. I gave up on being allowed in the Discord.

Very productive, very professional.

On the contrary, I already said I raised them in the only chat I’m allowed in. Gabriel saw it and didn’t care (he has since left the group again).

As for Gabriel, he’s made it clear he doesn’t want to hear from me. As for the other admins, you’re asking why I didn’t consult a list of people that I’m officially banned from seeing?

But the community has no power to unban you. So talk to the two Admins here. Im sure they’re reasonable - they’ve tidied up a few things here that I felt was a bit off. But I don’t think much of this revenge exposure stuff. Anyway you can contact HH and Zylo, independently.

Again, my problem wasn’t the ban. I’m never going to be unbanned again, and I accept that. It was the duplicity, which is relevant to everyone. I don’t know how many times and ways I have to say that, but it was my first post on the matter in this thread (after San Shi Wu brought it up).

Doing something because Gabriel didn’t want him to do it is deliberate undermining, and he refused to explain further.

You’re projecting a lot of meaning and intent on things while disregarding what I tell you happened and were my reasons, and refusing to look at the actual materials. Your bias is showing.

I really don’t know what you want or wish to achieve. If I look at those posts, it comes across as a it takes two to tango scenario, until it all went sour for both of you.