Statement to WauHolland Foundation, requesting the return of the donated 4,000 ETH

Each donor corresponds to a family, they have families, parents, and children. All donations are their hard-earned money. Since the mission of the dao has been completed, please refund the remaining money to us.

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Which could be this DAO or intended to get the DAO back on its feet. Are you doing anything to help that process?

That would be great. But there’s no indication of that. The DAO isn’t a foundation and it’s not controlled by Julian. Everything we’ve heard, in fact, has been that they can’t return the money to the DAO. And per Harry Halpin, Wau Holland already said that can’t happen. “As Wau explained to me, a DAO is not a tax-privileged organization, the funds cannot directly come back to the DAO”

I’ve been trying - but then you said to “take a break” because we need to know what Julian wants. Wau Holland Stiftung won’t answer questions. Proposals aren’t being put up for a vote. Multisigs aren’t participating in discussions. Gabriel is busy and left the chats.

Why, what are you doing to help the process and the community? Other than telling people to “take a break” and leaving Telegram and deleting your account after removing a lot of your comments I mean. (Or making allegations you won’t support about allegedly defunct, allegedly removed reports, and alleged expectations about what people expectations, etc.)

I wouldn’t go there, I have so many of your twttter posts defaming Julian Assange. You don’t belong here.

So instead of answering any of the questions or backing up any of your claims, it’s more dodging - and a threat? Niiice.

And oh noes. Posts of me criticizing him? And I suppose you’ll make a big deal out of some of them having been deleted, along with almost all of my tweets? Well, I guess… Go ahead and post them. Make a bigger deal out of it. Give me a reason to post documentation.

Worst case for me? You have a years old deleted tweet where maybe I made a mistake, and I’ll admit it and retract the already deleted tweet because I don’t claim a hundred percent perfection.

(Edited to remove unnecessary and unproductive snark etc.)

Maybe you should talk to the admins here? They’re reasonable, they’ve tidied up a few things that you felt were off. If I’m disruptive, they’ll talk to me or if I’ve broken the forum rules outright, they’ll ban me.

Nobody is compelled to answer your questions.

I’ll answer one though. The real reason I deleted Telegram is I don’t like Telegram. I made that clear from the outset. Of course you made that sound nefarious.

I asked you to stop relaying my posts to other platforms (another reason I deleted it - remember I said you have a chilling effect?) but you showed zero respect and continued anyway.

Funny enough you didn’t include that reasonable request when you wrote anyone of your articles.

I said it was bad form to relay people’s private DMs yet you you dismiss that too.

No idea why you’re banging on about housing prices and rent free in Australia. Unless you are surveilling people?

I didn’t make it sound nefarious, I just said it as something you did. Of course, you didn’t have to delete your account - you could have deleted the app and kept the account so you could return and participate in the community.

They were publicly posts that anyone could see even without joining the group. You had no expectation of privacy. What you asked is no different than someone saying something in a public space and then afterwards asking it to be off the record.

Actually I took a vote and went with what the community unanimously said. It’s not my fault you refused to vote despite repeated invitations.

It was a joke (edited out well before your post) about living rent free in your head because you’re saving all my posts. I’m not sure why you would think that means I’m surveilling people (I won’t read into that).

No, of course not. But is going to take your allegations seriously when they hold no water and you won’t back them up or even explain them.

But we’re off topic and just slagging each other now. That’s partly my fault, and for my part in getting us off topic I’m sorry.

The AssangeDAO can receive funds indirectly. Its not a nefarious situation if the German Government have such rules. Its just unfortunate and nobody can change that.

All that is required by the DAO one day in the future is for it to put together a professional team to invest, market and administer. That would get it back on its feet.

I haven’t given up hope - but I’m aware that this process is not going to happen until likely in the New Year. So what more can be done at this point? None of the background stuff is impacted by any members at this stage.

All members have stated they wish for funds to return, they would love to see Assange’s imput and realistically that’s what we’re going to have to wait for.

I do. Don’t go all legalistic, to suit yourself.

No one said or implied it would be nefarious.

From ‘what are you doing to help’ to ‘nothing more can be done at this point’ and the only thing that changed is whether we were talking about me or you. Okay then.

As a private individual going about your private, personal life? Sure. As a volunteer for the DAO (a public organization) making comments about the DAO in public spaces? No, you don’t. Standard journalistic practice is that you can’t decide after the fact that it’s off the record or a private comment.

I never reported anything about your personal or private life. AFAIK, I never even reported your actual name.

“You’re not allowed to report anything I say” is literally just censorship.

That’s a Telegram label. It is entirely meaningless.

It is unethical. Go spread private DMs and thought bubbles of members with other organisations you work with like DDoS and see how far it gets you on a trustworthiness scale with those people. Should people divulge anything around when your present?

As for extra privileges (alleged below) - none, absolutely none. Not a single position.of authority - no moderation capability, no twitter account access - nothing of the sort. Not once, not ever.

And what a pitiful thing to do - when those people don’t realise how far back you’ve hated on Julian. You’re not being transparent at all. If they support Amir they should be asking themselves why did Amir say you are dangerous.

You were granted and accepted extra privileges as part of your role in AssangeDAO. That’s not meaningless.

I didn’t post your private DMs, PT. Again, they were public posts that anyone could see without even joining the group.

Responding to your edited version of the text for BZ, which were DMs: I took a vote of the organization in question, and went with the unanimous results.

Now, can we get back on topic? Or are you gonna keep complaining that you were quoted after you publicly posted things?

(Edited to remove unproductive, repetitive comment)

Well I look forward to your reveal on DDoS interchanges. Seeing as you see no boundary or issue with trustworthiness.

Our public posts are public, PT. What you’re asking for is already done. This is incredibly silly.

I’m not sure what boundary you think was crossed with your public posts being re-posted.

I think it’s bad form to repeatedly edit a post and add content after it’s been replied to.

Where did Amir say this? A private chat with you? Or are you thinking of BZ saying that Gabriel said I was dangerous in the messages I posted?

Either way, maybe stop with the ad hominem attacks?

I think this will be considered strongly. The DAO massively helped to save Julian’s life. No doubt about it.

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I suggest you go back and re read your own DMs, which you posted, thoroughly re the Amir comment.

Thanks for answering this time. Turns out you were right, according to BZ “Gb&Amir all said” that. That same exchange shows that BZ isn’t reliable, so who knows how accurate and how precise they were
being. :woman_shrugging:

(I tried posting this before but it didn’t show up. Sorry if it double posts)