@PMA I believe the calendar would have more credibility with general public if we could avoid inflammatory terms like “kidnapped” instead of lawfully arrested for breach of bail.

sure! let’s build it together! :wink:

Good job, constructive ideas.

I don’t know if you are playing fast and loose with this meaning, there was however a more specific vote that was taken, which established the purpose of the DAO.

By increasing 0-cost activist efforts, combined with a specifically tailored branding campaign, we can increase our public visibility and overall theoretical value to outside investors, stimulating growth and activity on an exponential scale over time, allowing us to resolve liquidity issues by virtue of new investments made from outside, untapped markets.

This sounds like a meaningless buzz word salad. What are the new people investing in, are you saying they’re investing in activism, or merely freeing Assange? Are these investments thought to be donations, given for the purpose of the DAO to engage in internet activism?

This is theoretically not unlike how troll farms operate, we would simply be adapting the strategy for good, and to our own benefit and brand recognition.

So I understand correctly, people are investing in essentially paid activism, they give us money for us to send tweets about Assange?

We will need long-term financial structuring caused by both an influx of interested people seeking to be a part of our community, and a record of solid public engagement driving investors from outside the cypherpunk community. Without these pillars, liquidity will be a recurrent issue and speculative investors will fail to meet solid returns. So rather than delve into a multitude of possible projects here, I will simply say that with proper activism and branding at work, liquidity should really resolve itself.

So you’re saying that if you have a bunch of shills, then people will bring their projects to AssangeDAO?

Please note: I am offering up both the secure platform necessary for the Volunteer force described in here and the DAO in general to engage in activist efforts better. Free of cost to the DAO and securely hosted. I will also freely give all hours necessary in order to develop the site further around the decided needs of this community’s activist efforts.

Why don’t you just tell the DAO what software platform you want to use, give the DAO control over both the server, and the hosting account that it is tied to, and whatever GitHub that you intend to contribute to the fork that you intend on contributing code to? Then we can perhaps discuss providing you with $JUSTICE tokens in renumeration for the specific deliverables that you proposed and performed.

The core problem, is that the first vote severely limits the proposals that can go forward, and there was a discussion between Amir and the Chinese community before the first vote, about how he would have liked to “do other things” with the DAO. However Gabriel Shipton had stated that he could not let the DAO retain the Assange name, if it does these other things, because they need to oversee everything that their name is attached to, and they don’t have enough time to do that and work on Julian’s freedom.

I think that we need to get this cleared up before we start contemplating projects, which are either outside of the scope of the rules that the community voted on, or outside of the scope that Gabriel is willing to approve.

I don’t care what nationality they’re - E is aligned (as in runs an alternative organisation) - the Silent War Room - which is very much focussed on American domestic politics and it does have a political alignment with right wing conservatism and nationalism. None of that needs to be conflated with Julian.

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Although if the individual was claiming to be arguing with the outgoing WH admin in Jan 2021 - I doubt they’re Australian.

Respectfully, I’m not sure what research youve done. But SWR has zero ties to nationalism of any kind, and remains firmly apolitical, reporting on global events and serving as a vantage point for one of the strongest Free Assange communities in existence. I have run countless teaching sessions on the false US duopoly and how everyday citizens can actively engage in uprooting corruption within their unique systems of government. There remain fastidious recordings kept of every word I have spoken there, which is a considerable amount of archived lessons on civic activism.

Clearly, you havent researched the group, or you would be aware that I am an outspoken critic of corruption on all sides, and a free agent operating specifically in an effort to help free Julian. :pray:

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Man, with all the respect but can you please stop being so narrow minded about the decision on the first vote – Core Mission: Should AssangeDAO continue to focus on its founding premise ‘Free Assange by All Means Necessary’? YES Mission remains to Free Assange – every comment you do on this matter is always the same response. There is a lot that can be done that follows that core mission and vote and is still related with Assange and to bring awareness to his case and situation. I’m sure the family won’t easily veto our ideas, their veto is only if any of the proposals could be potentially harmful to Julian Assange, it’s simple to understand.

Would you like to explain how you’re close to the previous Trump government - are you a lobbyist?

well that didn’t work out, unfortunately like many other initiatives, so what?
at least E is trying with all the means, and he trying for a long time!

that’s why we are still here! to finds ways to support a try to help free Assange

why are you here? instead of helping with ideas you just trying to bring everything down with FUD
do you really want to help? do you care about what we are trying to do here?

The pardon situation did not work out because the first one was none other than a bribe.

Of course, but the mission must not be conflated and must not harm Assange.

I have added a number of ideas here. Go read them.

@PMA your accusation that @rave is sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt is unfair. I find her comments on this thread and elsewhere on the forum incisive. She’s wrong about E’s Telegram community (The Silent War Room) being aligned with American nationalism, but correct in alerting us to E’s baggage. Before accepting his offer of a free platform for activism, training, and contacts with media personalities to whom he is “well connected,” AssangeDAO should fully understand what to expect. TSWR is an echo chamber frequented by respectable ladies of a certain age in whom E has instilled a deep personal devotion. At the very least, before signing off on this, AssangeDAO would be well advised to become familiar with that model.

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I don’t think I was sowing fear - just responding to the question re nationality (I have nothing against Americans however the DAO rule is no Americans to occupy positions of authority), if someone claims to be in the ear of Trump officials directly then I think its fair to ask them who they are. I also don’t agree with the strong anti-vax alignment of SWR and don’t think all of that business re protest action on that subject needs to be conflated with AssangeDAO. The DAO should be apolitical. Not enter into promoting Canadian truckers blockades or be seen to align with that/conflate with every “freedom” issue out there etc That’s just my personal opinion.

The DAO rule is no people in US tax jurisdictions can initiate financial transactions.
Authority has nothing to do with it, it is a question of legal principle.
I helped write that rule when I helped build this place. :slight_smile:

Again I see mischaracterizations being thrown around.
PMA is right, I have been in the fight to free Julian for a considerable length of time, and attempting to tarnish or mischaracterize those efforts, or to generally malign people attempting to help him seems pretty sad.

My efforts are very clearly aligned with Julian 100% andnin no way shape or form have ever represented an alternate agenda in theory or practice. I stand by my record happily.
And again, to correct the blatant misrepresentation, 0 part of any community I run is “anti-vax”. Its a community based around empirical research and civic activism. Im not sure how much clearer I can be there. Also, the activist core of my personal group is 3300+ people strong from all over the world. It is not “a bunch of middle aged women”. Those slights seem rather contrived and purposefully antagonistic, but thats fine. It shows the intent of a poster.

Yes, I ran relay between Stella and Trump, for a very brief moment at the end of 2020, in an attempt to secure a pardon for Julian (and was very nearly successful). Im not sure in what universe that would ever draw ire from people here. My efforts for this community and Julian both, and the protection of inalienable rights and freedoms, is fairly tireless.

The idea that someone can not represent any personal opinions, or that any opinion other than one specific to assange is very thinly veiled attempt to remove general means of support, after all who could not be subjected to that brand of mcarthyism?

The DAO rule is no people in US tax jurisdictions can initiate financial transactions.
I helped write that rule when I helped build this place. :slight_smile:

Where is that stated? i would like to see the original source.

My efforts are very clearly aligned with Julian 100%

That is not actually true, because only Julian can be 100% aligned with himself.

Also, the activist core of my personal group is 3300+ people strong from all over the world. It is not “a bunch of middle aged women”. Those slights seem rather contrived and purposefully antagonistic, but thats fine. It shows the intent of a poster.

I personally would have characterized it as Qanon boomers

Yes, I ran relay between Stella and Trump, for a very brief moment at the end of 2020, in an attempt to secure a pardon for Julian (and was very nearly successful). I’m not sure in what universe that would ever draw ire from people here. My efforts for this community and Julian both, and the protection of inalienable rights and freedoms, is fairly tireless.

Provide me with an email with a DKIM key, or some other verifiable source for this statement, and what is meant by “ran relay”, any person can petition or send mail to POTUS, and it doesn’t make sense why the president would be running communications through you. Moreover, if you had been in fact communicating with trump, then you would have no objection to filing a federal records request, to demonstrate your remarkable abilities.

Robert Stryk, Suelette Dreyfus and Mark Davis were the parties involved in the pardon negotiations. Reported by NYT. With Trump Presidency Winding Down, Push for Assange Pardon Ramps Up - The New York Times

Does this mean that Ewillhelpyou is fabricating his claims? perhaps he will help clarify this situation.

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