# Statement to WauHolland Foundation, requesting the return of the donated 4,000 ETH **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [August 25, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14 "2024-08-25T16:50:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/30 "2024-11-12T21:47:01Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > Which could be this DAO or intended to get the DAO back on its feet. That would be great. But there’s no indication of that. The DAO isn’t a foundation and it’s not controlled by Julian. Everything we’ve heard, in fact, has been that they can’t return the money to the DAO. And per Harry Halpin, Wau Holland already said that can’t happen. “[As Wau explained to me, a DAO is not a tax-privileged organization, the funds cannot directly come back to the DAO](https://t.me/Real_AssangeDAO/1/6268)” > [@PeterT](#): > > Are you doing anything to help that process? I’ve been trying - but then [you said](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/assangedao-is-there-still-hope-is-it-still-under-construction/115/3) to “take a break” because we need to know what Julian wants. Wau Holland Stiftung won’t answer questions. Proposals aren’t being put up for a vote. Multisigs aren’t participating in discussions. Gabriel is busy and left the chats. Why, what are you doing to help the process and the community? Other than telling people to “[take a break](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/assangedao-is-there-still-hope-is-it-still-under-construction/115/3)” and leaving Telegram and deleting your account after removing a lot of your comments I mean. (Or making allegations you won’t support about allegedly defunct, allegedly removed reports, and alleged expectations about what people expectations, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/31 "2024-11-12T21:49:45Z")
> [@Mxy](#): > > deleting your account after removing a lot of your comments I mean. I wouldn’t go there, I have so many of your twttter posts defaming Julian Assange. You don’t belong here. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/32 "2024-11-12T22:04:23Z")
So instead of answering any of the questions or backing up any of your claims, it’s more dodging - **and** a threat? _Niiice._ And _oh noes_. Posts of me criticizing him? And I suppose you’ll make a big deal out of some of them having been deleted, along with almost all of my tweets? Well, I guess… Go ahead and post them. Make a bigger deal out of it. Give me a reason to post documentation. Worst case for me? You have a years old deleted tweet where _maybe_ I made a mistake, and I’ll admit it and retract the already deleted tweet because _I_ don’t claim a hundred percent perfection. (Edited to remove unnecessary and unproductive snark etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/33 "2024-11-12T22:22:22Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > You don’t belong here. Maybe you should talk to the admins here? [They’re reasonable, they’ve tidied up a few things that you felt were off](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/78). If I’m disruptive, they’ll talk to me or if I’ve broken the forum rules outright, they’ll ban me. ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/34 "2024-11-12T22:24:14Z")
Nobody is compelled to answer your questions. > [@Mxy](#): > > Make a bigger deal out of it I’ll answer one though. The real reason I deleted Telegram is I don’t like Telegram. I made that clear from the outset. Of course you made that sound nefarious. I asked you to stop relaying my posts to other platforms (another reason I deleted it - remember I said you have a chilling effect?) but you showed zero respect and continued anyway. Funny enough you didn’t include that reasonable request when you wrote anyone of your articles. I said it was bad form to relay people’s private DMs yet you you dismiss that too. No idea why you’re banging on about housing prices and rent free in Australia. Unless you are surveilling people? ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/35 "2024-11-12T22:31:02Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > Of course you made that sound nefarious. I didn’t make it sound nefarious, I just said it as something you did. Of course, you didn’t have to delete your account - you could have deleted the app and kept the account so you could return and participate in the community. > [@PeterT](#): > > I asked you to stop relaying my posts to other platforms (another reason I deleted it - remember I said you have a chilling effect?) but you showed zero respect and continued anyway. > > Funny enough you didn’t include that reasonable request when you wrote anyone of your articles. They were publicly posts that anyone could see even without joining the group. You had no expectation of privacy. What you asked is no different than someone saying something in a public space and then afterwards asking it to be off the record. > [@PeterT](#): > > I said it was bad form to relay people’s private DMs yet you you dismiss that too. Actually I took a vote and went with what the community unanimously said. It’s not my fault you refused to vote despite repeated invitations. > [@PeterT](#): > > No idea why you’re banging on about housing prices and rent free in Australia. Unless you are surveilling people? It was a joke (edited out well before your post) about living rent free in your head because you’re saving all my posts. I’m not sure why you would think that means I’m surveilling people (I won’t read into that). ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/36 "2024-11-12T22:34:03Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > Nobody is compelled to answer your questions. No, of course not. But is going to take your allegations seriously when they hold no water and you won’t back them up or even explain them. But we’re off topic and just slagging each other now. That’s partly my fault, and for my part in getting us off topic I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/37 "2024-11-12T22:40:03Z")
The AssangeDAO can receive funds indirectly. Its not a nefarious situation if the German Government have such rules. Its just unfortunate and nobody can change that. All that is required by the DAO one day in the future is for it to put together a professional team to invest, market and administer. That would get it back on its feet. I haven’t given up hope - but I’m aware that this process is not going to happen until likely in the New Year. So what more can be done at this point? None of the background stuff is impacted by any members at this stage. All members have stated they wish for funds to return, they would love to see Assange’s imput and realistically that’s what we’re going to have to wait for. > [@Mxy](#): > > You had no expectation of privacy. I do. Don’t go all legalistic, to suit yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/38 "2024-11-12T22:52:44Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > The AssangeDAO can receive funds indirectly. Its not a nefarious situation if the German Government have such rules. Its just unfortunate and nobody can change that. No one said or implied it would be nefarious. > [@PeterT](#): > > So what more can be done at this point? None of the background stuff is impacted by any members at this stage. From ‘what are you doing to help’ to ‘nothing more can be done at this point’ and the only thing that changed is whether we were talking about me or you. Okay then. > [@PeterT](#): > > I do. Don’t go all legalistic, to suit yourself. As a private individual going about your private, personal life? Sure. As a volunteer for the DAO (a public organization) making comments about the DAO in public spaces? No, you don’t. Standard journalistic practice is that you can’t decide after the fact that it’s off the record or a private comment. I never reported anything about your personal or private life. AFAIK, I never even reported your actual name. “You’re not allowed to report anything I say” is literally just censorship. ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:14pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/39 "2024-11-12T23:14:15Z")
> [@Mxy](#): > > volunteer That’s a Telegram label. It is entirely meaningless. > [@Mxy](#): > > Standard journalistic practice is that you can’t decide after the fact that it’s off the record or a private comment. It is unethical. Go spread private DMs and thought bubbles of members with other organisations you work with like DDoS and see how far it gets you on a trustworthiness scale with those people. Should people divulge anything around when your present? As for extra privileges (alleged below) - none, absolutely none. Not a single position.of authority - no moderation capability, no twitter account access - nothing of the sort. Not once, not ever. > [@Mxy](#): > > I took a vote of the organization in question, **and went with the unanimous results.** And what a pitiful thing to do - when those people don’t realise how far back you’ve hated on Julian. You’re not being transparent at all. **If they support Amir they should be asking themselves why did Amir say you are dangerous**. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/40 "2024-11-12T23:18:07Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > That’s a Telegram label. It is entirely meaningless. You were granted and accepted extra privileges as part of your role in AssangeDAO. That’s not meaningless. > [@PeterT](#): > > It is unethical. Go spread private DMs with your friends and see how far it gets you on a trustworthiness scale. Nobody can share their thoughts with you. I didn’t post your private DMs, PT. Again, they were _public posts_ that _anyone could see_ **without even joining the group**. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/41 "2024-11-12T23:22:13Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > Go spread private DMs and thought bubbles of members with other organisations you work with like DDoS and see how far it gets you on a trustworthiness scale with those people. Should people divulde anything with you? Responding to your edited version of the text for BZ, which were DMs: I took a vote of the organization in question, **and went with the unanimous results.** Now, can we get back on topic? Or are you gonna keep complaining that you were quoted after you publicly posted things? (Edited to remove unproductive, repetitive comment) ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:31pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/42 "2024-11-12T23:31:55Z")
> [@Mxy](#): > > I didn’t post your private DMs, PT. Again, they were _public posts_ that _anyone could see_ **without even joining the group**. Well I look forward to your reveal on DDoS interchanges. Seeing as you see no boundary or issue with trustworthiness. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/43 "2024-11-12T23:34:58Z")
Our public posts are public, PT. What you’re asking for is already done. This is incredibly silly. I’m not sure what boundary you think was crossed with your **public posts** being re-posted. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/44 "2024-11-12T23:38:40Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > As for extra privileges (alleged below) - none, absolutely none. Not a single position.of authority - no moderation capability, no twitter account access - nothing of the sort. Not once, not ever. > > > [@Mxy](#): > > > > I took a vote of the organization in question, **and went with the unanimous results.** > > And what a pitiful thing to do - when those people don’t realise how far back you’ve hated on Julian. You’re not being transparent at all. **If they support Amir they should be asking themselves why did Amir say you are dangerous**. I think it’s bad form to repeatedly edit a post and add content after it’s been replied to. > [@PeterT](#): > > **If they support Amir they should be asking themselves why did Amir say you are dangerous**. Where did Amir say this? A private chat with you? Or are you thinking of BZ saying that _Gabriel_ said I was dangerous in the messages I posted? Either way, maybe stop with the ad hominem attacks? ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/45 "2024-11-12T23:51:36Z")
I think this will be considered strongly. The DAO massively helped to save Julian’s life. No doubt about it. ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 4:50am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/46 "2024-11-13T04:50:46Z")
I suggest you go back and re read your own DMs, which you posted, thoroughly re the Amir comment. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 9:06am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/47 "2024-11-13T09:06:46Z")
Thanks for answering this time. Turns out you were right, _according to BZ_ “Gb&Amir all said” that. That same exchange shows that BZ isn’t reliable, so who knows how accurate and how precise they were being. 🤷‍♀️ (I tried posting this before but it didn’t show up. Sorry if it double posts) ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/48 "2024-11-13T21:43:05Z")
The UK crowdfunding for the plane and health expenses via UK crowdfunder is ongoing. It has a stretch target. Monthly and one off donations requested. The pardon mission is a factor - which is detailed in an update. Last donation one day ago. The US crowdfunder is on-going. I can see a donation - a one off there from 6 days ago. Run by the Courage Foundation, it states: “The funds raised through this fundraiser will be withdrawn by the Courage Foundation and sent to the Wau Holland Foundation, who will be handling the payment of the jet” ---
**Author:** ![Alex007](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Alex007](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Alex007)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14/49 "2024-11-14T00:47:26Z")
The remaining funds belong to the Dao and must be returned. As for how to use them in the future, the Dao will vote to decide. This is justice. [Previous page](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/statement-to-wauholland-foundation-requesting-the-return-of-the-donated-4-000-eth/14.md?page=3)