# AIP-12: Consensus Unit Comment **URL:** \ **Category:** Governance\ **Created:** [September 16, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87 "2024-09-16T23:33:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 5:49am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/81 "2024-10-22T05:49:35Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > I really don’t know what you want or wish to achieve. I wasn’t the one who brought it up here or posted the screenshots here. San Shi Wu did. I responded to clarify, and since then have answered questions and responded to posts directly at or about me while offering to be as transparent as the community wants, nothing more or less. > [@PeterT](#): > > If I look at those posts it comes across it takes two to tango scenario, until it all went sour for both of you. Leave off the dressing and nefarious assumptions and you’re close enough, there. ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 5:56am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/82 "2024-10-22T05:56:45Z")
> [@Mxy](#): > > I wasn’t the one who brought it up here or posted the screenshots here. Take responsibility for posting them at the DAO, in the first place. The place is trying to recover, You always had more discete options. One would have been to walk away as soon as they gave you grief in their messages. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 6:09am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/83 "2024-10-22T06:09:35Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > Take responsibility for posting them at the DAO, in the first place. I have and do take responsibility for that. (Start with my [first post on the matter in this thread](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/58) and work your way down) > [@PeterT](#): > > You always had more discete options. One would have been to walk away. The community deserved to know. Your preference for silence and unity isn’t a reason to not share relevant information with the community. I know it’s relevant because San\_Shi\_Wu brought it up, which you said “did not derail the thread” because: > [@PeterT](#): > > They’re talking about key skills for consideration of candidates for the GTU. Its a key governance issue to be fixed. It’s “a key governance issue” that’s relevant to the community’s governance discussions, including this one. Your words. You can blame me for speaking up about a problem ([as always](https://emma.best/2024/08/26/what-gabriel-shipton-wants-me-to-tell-you/)) which is a waste of energy IMHO, or you can deal with the problem, or you can sit with the problem. I think anything else is both of us wasting our time, and we should really let the thread get back on topic. ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 6:17am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/84 "2024-10-22T06:17:36Z")
> [@Mxy](#): > > I think anything else is both of us wasting our time, and we should really let the thread get back on topic. Agree because I don’t and never would expose a private chat. Unless the content was illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/85 "2024-10-29T23:43:17Z")
Trying to get the thread going again / back on the main topic: > [@Logan](#): > > At that time, Amir mentioned that the WH Foundation refused to communicate with SILK and only contacted Harry. He was concerned that Harry might transfer the remaining funds from the foundation. So BZ hoped more people would join the discussion, possibly to increase pressure on Harry to prevent the transfer of the funds. ---
**Author:** ![Logan](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/278dde/32.png) [@Logan](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Logan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 3:45am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/86 "2024-11-01T03:45:20Z")
About the GTU candidates,I would like to recommend Martin Köppelmann. He is a holder of the Justice token and has been a long-time supporter of Assange.just not sure if he would be willing to join and dedicate time to our community. ![martin](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/default/original/1X/137a4487619e4e475158bb82438c66cf955196e5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/88 "2024-11-01T19:05:03Z")
I don’t know much about Martin Köppelmann, but what I do know (mostly having seen his posts shared on social media) suggests he’d be a good advocate. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2024, 6:52am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/89 "2024-11-15T06:52:28Z")
I was able to convert the HTML exports to PDF, and uploaded them here. Original archive was posted to Telegram [here](https://t.me/assangedaochat/1997). [BZ 01.pdf](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/short-url/vIXAnTssW0NXj170W4hfTpcVXJl.pdf) (3.8 MB) [BZ 02.pdf](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/short-url/u2y7TLWdXeD018Ak43hghKBc7R3.pdf) (805.1 KB) Attachments: [PA summary with bail.pdf](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/short-url/cdgRqMetqMaIYrT1iSn7oFS8MjO.pdf) (57.2 KB) [AssangeDAO-Governance notes March 5, 2022.html.pdf](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/short-url/3syy1af3kQXQ9Y3NMVsxvMwnNQl.pdf) (45.0 KB) [Assange-Audios.zip](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/short-url/8LaX6kOTk1JG93rqhBOXg6waTBq.zip) (58.2 MB) [/uploads/default/original/1X/63513de78514bf5a78c0a5148664b22454dc3140.mp3](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/default/original/1X/63513de78514bf5a78c0a5148664b22454dc3140.mp3) [/uploads/default/original/1X/c0e9ff394ab47f35289e3c543630de489ff1cdbe.mp3](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/default/original/1X/c0e9ff394ab47f35289e3c543630de489ff1cdbe.mp3) [forum.assangedao.org-simple.zip](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/short-url/ebwfOD6cHovNB5QnriwN8QyaoTv.zip) (39.1 MB) The PA summary with bail is about [E, the former multisig](https://emma.best/2024/08/08/e-will-not-help-you-from-qanon-to-freeassange/). E originally posted the video, as well, which is a screen recording of one of the Telegram chats used by AssangeDAO’s organizers. The March 5, 2022 Governance notes come from A Collective Notion instance. The audio files from Assange’s hearing were originally [posted by Cryptome](https://cryptome.org/2024/06/Assange-Audios.zip) as released by the court, as PDFs with the MP3s attached. Because that’s confusing and weird, I extracted the MP3s and sent those raw. For completeness, all of them are included here. The archive of the old forum was taken from the Wayback Machine. It’s an attempt to make a snapshot of the forums using the most recently archived version of each page before the forum went down, using the [Wayback Machine Downloader](https://github.com/hartator/wayback-machine-downloader). I’ve also uploaded this and a more complete archive [here](https://archive.org/details/forum.assangedao.org), and by clicking “View Contents” on [this page](https://archive.org/download/forum.assangedao.org) you can browse either version without downloading it. If anyone notices any missing attachments, please let me know and I’ll try to add them. Likewise for any questions about the attachments, or their origins. ---
**Author:** ![Alex007](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Alex007](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Alex007)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/91 "2024-11-17T00:11:58Z")
Mr. Assange is free, but the Assangedao community of tens of thousands of people is still not free. The community needs to develop, not just stand still because of one person’s manipulation. It’s been almost three years, and Assangedao has not been recognized or developed. It’s terrible! What are you waiting for? Either give the community independent power and let them vote to decide on development, or reorganize the administrators and develop the dao together. Please take action as soon as possible, and don’t be incompetent and do nothing. ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/92 "2024-11-17T00:23:30Z")
At the time E was pretending to be doing work here - there were many great suggestions and draft proposals from Andrew Teh, Zylo and PMA - the workhorses of this place in the early days. In particular, Andrew Teh wrote extensively about Governance. Why their work was not formulated into Proposals for voting by the management team (those with proposal rights) is unknown. They did not seem to be controversial and they were concise. If the DAO could revise those ideas via a paid administrator or operations manager expert and incorporate into a Governance structure (by also granting them with Proposer status), I think most problems could be resolved. Running on volunteers IMO, is haphazard. Successful DAOs hire consultants and experts. - We need confirmation of who out of the current mult-sig team are active. - The current list of official Proposers. - We need a statement about the current liaison between the multi sig, Harry Halpin and Gabriel with Wau Holland re whether there will be any fund reimbursement to the DAO either directly or indirectly via another foundation. Let’s put a date on this. **Feedback from management and those who hold multi sig keys is required by next Friday, 22 November 2024.** I think it is reasonable, participants have been waiting for weeks without useful insight into what is happening behind the scenes. Individuals could then decide what to do with their participation, based on facts, henceforth. In the meantime - we can all be positive - by adding our future project ideas to a thread here. > [@Project ideas and vision for the Assange DAO](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/project-ideas-and-vision-for-the-assange-dao/129): > > Ideas for the DAO. Positive feedback only. Ideas don’t have to be fleshed out - just a list will do. An idea can be your vision for a project, even if you don’t know how it can be achieved. It can be a thought bubble. Give your idea the next consecutive number on the list, just to keep this tidy. Just a short description will do at this stage. Establish an annual AssangeDAO Award to recognise whistleblowers or philanthopists (journalists, lawyers, human rights activists, etc) from any regi… ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2024, 9:01am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/93 "2024-11-17T09:01:15Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > The current list of official Proposers. This _might_ be [Snapshot](https://snapshot.org/#/assangedao.eth/settings) under the Members tab Some of the addresses are named at [The First Step Toward AssangeDAO Governance - AssangeDAO](https://assangedao.substack.com/p/first-step-assangedao-governance) But I agree it would be good to get official confirmation of that and the rest. ---
**Author:** ![Gabriel](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@Gabriel](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Gabriel)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/95 "2024-11-19T02:23:44Z")
AIP-12 updated so GTU works with consensus unit rather than replacing it. > **[Discord - Group Chat That’s All Fun & Games](https://discord.com/channels/919249551615991859/939164128268943381/1308255807011426385)** > > Discord is great for playing games and chilling with friends, or even building a worldwide community. Customize your own space to talk, play, and hang out. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 3:13am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/96 "2024-11-19T03:13:55Z")
I’ve reposted a copy of the PDF: [AIP-12 v1.2.pdf](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/short-url/iBO10uRWZNuqB9psEpN9q7wRIiD.pdf) (382.1 KB) ---
**Author:** ![PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@PeterT](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/PeterT)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 6:05am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/97 "2024-11-19T06:05:54Z")
Thanks Gabriel. Discord isn’t loading this. Can’t view it there. Query - just to confirm Are Silke Noa, Stella R Magnet and BZ available to be members of the GTU? I thought Stellar Magnet was not available to be on the GTU? Haven’t heard anything lately on the forum from BZ? ---
**Author:** ![Logan](https://forum.assangedao.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/278dde/32.png) [@Logan](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Logan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 8:56am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/98 "2024-11-19T08:56:24Z")
I think it needs Gabriel to reach out to these core members to bring them on board for fixing the governance . Without their participation, we cannot accomplish anything. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/100 "2024-11-20T23:55:05Z")
Tagging @Gabriel @SilkeNoa and @bz404 to make sure they saw [PT’s post](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/92). (I’m not aware of any other organizers, multisigs, or consensus unit members on the forums) ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 9:00am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/101 "2024-11-23T09:00:51Z")
> [@PeterT](#): > > Running on volunteers IMO, is haphazard. Successful DAOs hire consultants and experts. > > - We need confirmation of who out of the current mult-sig team are active. > - The current list of official Proposers. > - We need a statement about the current liaison between the multi sig, Harry Halpin and Gabriel with Wau Holland re whether there will be any fund reimbursement to the DAO either directly or indirectly via another foundation. > > Let’s put a date on this. **Feedback from management and those who hold multi sig keys is required by next Friday, 22 November 2024.** I think it is reasonable, participants have been waiting for weeks without useful insight into what is happening behind the scenes. > > Individuals could then decide what to do with their participation, based on facts, henceforth. I don’t think any of these were answered or acknowledged, though Gabriel did [post in the thread](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/95). I did receive a response from Wau Holland Stiftung to [one of my questions](https://emma.best/2024/11/11/wau-holland-stiftung-silent-amid-delayed-transparency-report-and-rumored-plans-to-send-11-million-to-julian-assange/) last night. They wrote that the final transparency report “will be ready by the end of November. And the general gist of it will not be much different from the preliminary report.” As to other questions - apparently we should go to Germany in April and ask in person at an event. ![image](https://forum.assangedao.org/uploads/default/original/1X/4d29c26df8553f7c1ab888727845dd041fc932c8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![stellarmagnet](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/stellarmagnet/32/112_2.png) [@stellarmagnet](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/stellarmagnet)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 4:44am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/102 "2024-11-27T04:44:48Z")
Hello all Stellarmagnet here. Just wanted to say that when AIP-12 was drafted, I was just trying to be helpful, I wasn’t trying to write out the Consensus Unit from this transition process as an adversarial move. It was more neutral and conversational, like me trying to read the room, and maybe come up with some left-field ideas. Unfortunately, a lot of life things came up this summer, and I was unable to continue participating and deliberating. I apologize for leaving everyone hanging like that. I just want to express that I personally have no problems with what @Gabriel is requiring as far as what would make AIP-12 valid. I honestly just wish for this DAO to come to a state of peace and resolution. Sometimes I can read the room incorrectly for what that looks like. Additionally, I can volunteer about 10 hours/month helping review proposals, and do my part in helping with the transition, if you need me, but I won’t have that much capacity for emotional labor. Let me know. Regards, Stella R. Magnet ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 5:08am UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/103 "2024-11-27T05:08:27Z")
> [@stellarmagnet](#): > > I can volunteer about 10 hours/month helping review proposals, and do my part in helping with the transition For what it’s worth, I think that’ll be vitally helpful. I’m sure I’m not the only one breathing a sigh of relief on reading your post. ---
**Author:** ![Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/user_avatar/forum.assangedao.org/mxy/32/216_2.png) [@Mxy](https://forum.assangedao.org/u/Mxy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87/104 "2024-11-27T19:28:19Z")
It’s been at least a week and as far as I know, no one has raised objections or proposed changes to the latest version of AIP-12. Do you know what the next steps would be, @stellarmagnet? [Previous page](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forum.assangedao.org/t/aip-12-consensus-unit-comment/87.md?page=5)